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 Post subject: The Sol System
PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:53 pm 
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Okay here is an idea, say ComStar lied to the Inner Sphere about the scope and conditions in the Sol System, reality, the factories and such are all back up and running and many of the "damaged" areas on the terraformed planets have been fixed long ago.

So this a two part deal, first part HOW do you think the Inner Sphere would react if this came out? They would find out the truth when Stone's forces show in the Sol System and are not getting the "guided" tour by ComStar or WoB.

Second part give us your ideas on what the Sol System would look like if ComStar did indeed repair and revive all the stuff the Terran Hegemony/Star League had built there?

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 Post subject: Re: The Sol System
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:13 am 
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1. Given the many trust issues already associated with ComStar in canon, I don't think such a revelation would go over well with anybody. And keeping in line with the general history of the Inner Sphere, there would likely be a repeat of what happened to the Terran Hegemony post-Exodus -- a First Succession War style "gold rush" to claim anything that wasn't red hot or nailed down.

2. The Sol system, if fully repaired, would be a lot more crowded and busy. It is, after all, the birthplace and natural capital of humanity. It is also the center point of the Inner Sphere, which would effectively make it a giant roundabout for all the space lanes. What kind of condition Terra itself would be in is unclear, though. I've always had the impression that part of what drove humanity to the stars in the first place, was that Terra's environment was ruined by centuries of war and industrial exploitation. The "pretty cities" like Hilton Head I imagine to be much like New Chicago in the Buck Rogers TV series...islands in a trashed out sea.

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 Post subject: Re: The Sol System
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:03 pm 
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Watch The Expanse that could give you a clue esp with the belters.

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 Post subject: Re: The Sol System
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:18 pm 
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1. Given the many trust issues already associated with ComStar in canon, I don't think such a revelation would go over well with anybody. And keeping in line with the general history of the Inner Sphere, there would likely be a repeat of what happened to the Terran Hegemony post-Exodus -- a First Succession War style "gold rush" to claim anything that wasn't red hot or nailed down.
I agree, that is why I have a revolt happen that in away stops a lot of what you point out, but not enough. The revolt happens right as Stone hits the Sol System in force.
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2. The Sol system, if fully repaired, would be a lot more crowded and busy. It is, after all, the birthplace and natural capital of humanity. It is also the center point of the Inner Sphere, which would effectively make it a giant roundabout for all the space lanes. What kind of condition Terra itself would be in is unclear, though. I've always had the impression that part of what drove humanity to the stars in the first place, was that Terra's environment was ruined by centuries of war and industrial exploitation. The "pretty cities" like Hilton Head I imagine to be much like New Chicago in the Buck Rogers TV series...islands in a trashed out sea.
I understand that, but think of this, the system is large and you control WHERE for the most part civilian jumpships come, you limit their route as far as where they can travel, using things like left over hulks from the fighting or other such things that pose navigation hazards etc...you then have a patrol escort dropships to where they go and only to those points, that way you can have some control on what is seen. Not every moon or planet is going to get a commercial non-Comstar or non-WoB dropship visit, so you have that control going for you. Also you have control all that is leaving the factories so you can control what is seen as far as what is made there.

Good ideas the New Chicago style cites, mixed in with wastelands and some ares not so messed up. I was also thinking that beanstalk or two might exist, along with say three or four major space stations. around Terra, with Luna being the big secret in that it has more of the military side of things, like the major control points for the fleets etc...

Also looking for ideas on what we would find on the other planets, by that mean would we find orbital colonies/stations or in the case of Mars major cities? Orbital factories in and around Jupiter and it's moons? Same for Saturn and Neptune? My goal is for things far beyond what Foch would have told the Inner Sphere about and the WoB would lie about and as you pointed out no one trusts ComStar or the WoB.

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 Post subject: Re: The Sol System
PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:21 pm 
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Watch The Expanse that could give you a clue esp with the belters.
I have read the books and watched the show, so yeah I am going for that feel along with the older style from the pulp sci-fi of the belt settlers being akin to old US frontier/Wild West type of personas. The belt is easy to figure out, it's the rest I am trying to flesh out more and make it so things are indeed a shock on how much ComStar and the WoB lied about the state of system and how they have cleaned up things, not to the point that it gives WoB their uber-army but enough that cast things more in doubt and has the Inner Sphere doubly questioning ALL that they know because how much ComStar has over the past faked or lied about.

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 Post subject: Re: The Sol System
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:33 am 
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Even without adding speculation, canon indicates that the Sol system has been highly developed over the centuries. Venus has been colonized with mixed success. Luna (Terra's moon), Mars, and Titan are home to major installations, and there may be others as well. Asteroid belt mining is a given, Sol's jump points surely have jump stations, and Terran orbit is probably crowded with all manner of space facilities. There were the Caspars and other defense systems left over from the First Star League which ComStar and WoB maintained as best they could; some of those defenses almost certainly remain in service all the way to the canon present. So even leaving out any hidden Wobbly shenanigans or whatever, the stuff we already know about in canon indicates that Sol probably has one of the highest degrees of development of any system in the Inner Sphere.

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 Post subject: Re: The Sol System
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:31 pm 
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Even without adding speculation, canon indicates that the Sol system has been highly developed over the centuries. Venus has been colonized with mixed success. Luna (Terra's moon), Mars, and Titan are home to major installations, and there may be others as well. Asteroid belt mining is a given, Sol's jump points surely have jump stations, and Terran orbit is probably crowded with all manner of space facilities. There were the Caspars and other defense systems left over from the First Star League which ComStar and WoB maintained as best they could; some of those defenses almost certainly remain in service all the way to the canon present. So even leaving out any hidden Wobbly shenanigans or whatever, the stuff we already know about in canon indicates that Sol probably has one of the highest degrees of development of any system in the Inner Sphere.
What I am going for its that they don't let the full extent of what they have repaired and fixed be known. All the information of Venus failing but for a few domed cities and how Mars is not terraformed anymore and things like that are not quite as they really are. For example Venus is not failing, it is actually thriving and has been since right ComStar fully took power in the Sol System, along with many of the other "colonies and such" on the other planets and moons of the system. Mars is still not 100% terraformed as it might have been at one point, but it's far better then it was after the fighting to retake the system from Amaris.

The idea is for things that have been pushed as facts to be found out to be outright lies by the Inner Sphere, and this causes them to further distrust both ComStar and the WoB.

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 Post subject: Re: The Sol System
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:54 am 
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The real problem would be keeping anything secret, if it's on a worldwide scale. The Houses would have just as many spies on Comstar as they have on each other, because of the importance of Terra and they all claim inheritance of the Star League. Billions of people know what's going on and you would have defectors, infiltrators, and moles because I've yet to see an efficient police state or a populace remain docile for long.

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 Post subject: Re: The Sol System
PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:52 am 
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The real problem would be keeping anything secret, if it's on a worldwide scale. The House would have just as many spies on Comstar as they have on each other, because of the importance of Terra and they all claim inheritance of the Star League. Billions of people know what's going on and you would have defectors, infiltrators, and moles because I've yet to see an efficient police state or a populace remain docile for long.
Agreed, however, we never hear about ComStar defectors until the Jihad starts, prior to that it was always the other way around. Now secrets can be kept if the lies are mixed with truth, example, hey Venus is getting better, but slowly, we have to new dome cities up and running (reality 15 are up and running) so that is a good thing, but the cost is insane, (cost is no more then what is spent on warship) etc...

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