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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:36 pm 
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In case some of you haven't noticed lately, I've not been the most pleasant person to be around ;) I've had a lot of **** going on that's put me in a pretty foul mood, so I've decided to go work on some other hobbies as a distraction...

I've not built a plastic model in... well, about four years. Not since I made a Sturmgeshutz back in september '05, and that got destroyed during my last move... I'm looking around at my bare shelves and bare walls...

So I think as a diversion from all my 'important' hobbies I'll be adding a pointless one as a distraction. Something that I don't need to make a deadline for, or HAVE to do every day or begin to suck at it. As such I'm going to try and build two models from the Matsumoto Harlock/Yamato universe a month (since that's about what I can afford). I ordered two models from hong kong at the start of the month, they arrived two days ago, here is the first assembled, painted and completed.

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The quarter gives you a good idea the size of these - The Yukikaze is small even for a 1/1600th ship since it had a crew complement of only 16. Not the best paint job I've ever done, but doing washes over canary yellow and dolphin grey is difficult at best, a disaster at worst... Also didn't help the only red I had in my kit that was still good was metallic.

For those of you who don't know the ship, it appears twice during Yamato (that's Star Blazers for the round-eye), once in the battle of pluto during the first episode, and once shown embedded in ice on the surface. It was commanded by Kodai Mamoru (Alex Wildstar for you gaijin), who was originally supposed to be Captain Harlock and is Harlock in several of the manga interpretations of the universe. Some consider this Harlock's first command, while others do not.

In the original story Mamoru (Alex) refuses to retreat from the enemy, calling Captain Okita (Captain Avatar) a gutless coward for withdrawing. The stigma of the withdrawl haunts Okita and the ONLY reason he is given command of the Yamato (Argo) is there is nobody else qualified to command it left alive. The entire crew distrusts him from the start and it takes his actions during the mission to win the crew into truly trusting him - Kodai Susumu (Derek) being the hardest sell of all.

The americanized rewrite removes the whole bushido warrior ethic thing, Alex making the heroic last stand to buy time for Avatar to get word to Earth that the fleet was lost. They try to explain away Derek's dislike of his new CO as the whole "you came back but my brother didn't" thing, but really that ended up being about as believable as Dr. Sane's Mineral Water.

The second ship is the same scale, but two and a half times the length and ten times the volume with a lot more details for me to work on, so that's going to be a while - especially since I can't find the right dark metallic blue-green so I'm going to have to mix my own... and I'm thinking on making the engine ports glow in the dark like I did on my gothic cruisers. (and that night gyr I keep meaning to order) - this next one is really near and dear to my heart...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:06 pm 
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Somehow, I was thinkin' "Derek's ship" when I opened the thread . . . ;-)

I remember someone putting out a DVD set of the old show . . . Or one version of it, but I couldn't move on it at the time: Do you know if the original interpretation was ever released over here?

(Derek = Harlock? What went wrong for him to become an outlaw?)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:05 pm 
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Very nice. Brighter than I'd expect for spacecraft, but then they're Japanese. ;-)
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As such I'm going to try and build two models from the Matsumoto Harlock/Yamato universe a month (since that's about what I can afford).
They're what, 5" long? What are they made of? Is that small a model really that expensive?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:21 pm 
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It's from Japan, and its Yamato/Star Blazers.

Yes, it CAN be that expensive. I have a friend that recently purchased a model of the Yamato itself with moving guns and lights for multiple hundred dollars. You can get some REALLY cool stuff for that show. Niche market doesn't even BEGIN to cover it. In a lot of ways, it is in the same league as Macross over there.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:00 pm 
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Yes, it CAN be that expensive. I have a friend that recently purchased a model of the Yamato itself with moving guns and lights for multiple hundred dollars.
But the Yamoto is much larger, isn't it?

I'm not questioning the worth of these at all; I'm just curious.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:33 pm 
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(Hopefully this link will work)

http://www.hlj.com/hljlist2/?MacroType= ... reCode=Sci

Then you look at this: http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN946749 , and see the price in US Dollars . . . :yikes:

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:46 pm 
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(Hopefully this link will work)

http://www.hlj.com/hljlist2/?MacroType= ... reCode=Sci

Then you look at this: http://www.hlj.com/product/BAN946749 , and see the price in US Dollars . . . :yikes:
Right, but that's 2 1/2 feet long and supposedly weighs 15 pounds(?). Not 4-5 quarters long.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:51 pm 
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If it's not in production right now, it's OOP and the price becomes "what the market will bear".

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:31 pm 
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They're what, 5" long? What are they made of? Is that small a model really that expensive?
The yukikaze is about that length and cost me $4, the other one I'm working on is three times that length, but was only $10 off e-fence. Normally both would have been $5-6 in shipping apiece, but I was able to combine the shipping to get it down to $8.

Which seems a bit high, but plastic models are getting REALLY expensive right now, with 1/72nd scale fighters going for about $16-$20.
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(Derek = Harlock? What went wrong for him to become an outlaw?)
Alex (Momoru) NOT Derek (Susumu)...

The names of the characters between the two shows are different, though matsumoto intended for there to be continuity. They tried to tie it together in one of the manga, but it's not exactly a smooth transition.

The way it 'kind of works' is that Harlock is Momoru (alex) and Starsha is Maya. The illmedas destroy iscandar on a 'drive by' with the two barely escaping with their lives. Momoru feels compelled to defend his homeworld, so the two travel to earth and take on new identites - Momoru embracing his distant family ties to the Harlock legacy and joining the solar federation military (so desparate for warm bodies they don't even check his identity), and Starsha becoming 'Maya', the voice of the resistance.

Harlock quickly rises through the ranks and is given command of the heavy cruiser Deathshadow. He is sent to handle the evacuation of a world, and misses out on the big battle of the war where the Solar fleet is defeated. The Federation surrenders and Harlock is forced to return to an occupied earth in defeat to offload the refugees. To prevent the illmedas from making use of the deathshadow post-war, he performs a controlled crash to damage the hull beyond repair - which is where the movie "Arcadia of my Youth" picks up the story. (in the american comic by Ben Dunn, the illmedas are still able to ressurect the Deathshadow, and only with the help of the Dark Victory (another battleship of the same class crewed by renegades only loyal to themselves) is Harlock able to defeat his old ship.

Life on occupied earth doesn't quite work out well for him, especially with Maya/Starsha still making her free earth broadcasts. He meets Tochiro and along with several Tokargans (another defeated race who are now mercs for the illmedas) mount a revolt. Using the battleship Tochiro built in secret single handed (He's Tochiro, he can actually DO that *** since he's the brains behind the contsruction of the Yamato) go to tokarga to find out the illmedas have been lying to the mercs all along and wiped out the entire planetary population. The tokargans commit suicide to save the ship on the way back (LONG story), they get back and the illmedas have captured Emeraldas (ok, also long story) and Maya/Starsha. Net result, maya is killed, harlock gets an eyeball shot out, the Illmedas commander challenges harlock to an honor duel in space, yadda, yadda, yadda. Bottom line is that he and his followers are exiled from earth by the 'legitimate human government' which is little more than an illmedas puppet, beginning the whole 'space pirate' thing aboard the first Arcadia.

The first Arcadia is later destroyed by earth forces AFTER the final defeat of the Illmedas by a corrupt government that is actually being manipulated YET AGAIN by another alien force, the Mazon. Emeraldas saves the crew and harlock at the last moment, but the first arcadia is destroyed along with Tochiro. Emeraldas takes them to their secret asteroid base where Tochiro had been building a second arcadia, the ships computer being a multitronic unit imprinted with a copy of Tochiro's mind... The original 1978 Harlock TV series story would pick up about a month AFTER that.

Though the above timeline isn't entirely official and contradicts itself in several different versions - it's just one of the many different ways the story can be interpreted... Matsumoto makes Berman/Braga look like masters of continuity. If it means telling his story his way, he'll throw out most everything that came before. The 2002 OVA series for example retcons the history of many major characters.

The character has seen a lot of changes since he was first introduced as Captian Kingston back in the 50's.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 1:39 pm 
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Right, but that's 2 1/2 feet long and supposedly weighs 15 pounds(?). Not 4-5 quarters long.
Going price in the general scale I'm working (1/1500th to 1/1600th, they aren't exactly 'consistant' on that) for the Yamato, or other 'big name' ships like the Andromeda or Arcadia, is $10 to $12. They tend to be about 8" to 10" long.

Could be worse, could be the RedHawk Yamato from the age of "Let's turn everything into a transformer"

... and we wonder why when licensing art from japan there tend to be confusing issues and legal battles.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:02 pm 
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Could be worse, could be the RedHawk Yamato from the age of "Let's turn everything into a transformer"
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Could be worse, could be the RedHawk Yamato from the age of "Let's turn everything into a transformer"
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That ERA has not ended, given that Hasbro is turning everything from GI JOE to STAR WARS into TRANSFORMERS...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:29 am 
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I just now realized I could never find this when I wanted, as I kept expecting to find it in the Miniatures forum, rather than OT. It is a miniature, after all. So I'm moving these two topics there. Hope no one minds, and you're able to find it okay.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:36 am 
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Wasn't certain that was appropriate since it's not a battletech miniature - but Ok.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:26 pm 
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Wasn't certain that was appropriate since it's not a battletech miniature - but Ok.
I understand, but it IS a mini, and we've all used non-BT minis to play BT. Plus, the techniques and paint jobs are mostly what the minis forum is about.

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Wasn't certain that was appropriate since it's not a battletech miniature - but Ok.
I understand, but it IS a mini, and we've all used non-BT minis to play BT. Plus, the techniques and paint jobs are mostly what the minis forum is about.
Non-BT MINIS? Heck, I've played Battletech games using plastic toy Cowboys and Indians, because that's all my little cousin had and I was trying to get him into the game...

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