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I will post the file for this mech a bit later, right now I am trying to see what needs to be improved or changed, the idea for the mech is fast heavy raider that has some punch and can fight as well as run if needed.

So any suggestions or ideas are welcome as would be anything lending towards the fluff. The company making it is not a standard BT universe company but it does have a good showing in my groups gaming adventures, so for this mechs it would be a common company. Again I am trying to get the mech stats down before jumping into the fluff:

               BattleMech Technical Readout
                     Custom* Weapons

Type/Model:    Poacher PCR-3
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3132
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          30 tons
Chassis:       Crom 3000 Endo Steel
Power Plant:   210 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118.8 km/h
Jump Jets:     None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type:    Leopard V Standard
Armament:      
  1 Lord's Light 4 Light PPC (TM)*
  1 LanceFire Arms Thunderbolt 5
  1 Browning Arms+ Magshot*
  2 Diverse Optics Type II ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer:  Alexandria Armories
  Location:    Alexandria (Primary Plant), Galizo (Secondary)
Communications System:  Iota CH 89 Suite
Targeting & Tracking System:  Wasat Aggressor Type 5

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Type/Model:    Poacher PCR-3
Mass:          30 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  51 pts Endo Steel            14      1.50
 (Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 3 LA, 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine:        210 XL Fusion                12      4.50
   Walking MP:   7
   Running MP:  11
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     10 Double [20]               6       .00
 (Heat Sink Loc: 2 RA)
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA     15       .00
Armor Factor:  104 pts Standard              0      6.50

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9      
   Center Torso:             10         14      
   Center Torso (Rear):                  5      
   L/R Side Torso:            7      10/10      
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              4/4      
   L/R Arm:                   5      10/10      
   L/R Leg:                   7      14/14      

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 Light PPC (TM)*        RA      5           2      3.00
1 Thunderbolt 5          RA      3   12      2      4.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 RT)
1 Magshot*               LA      1   50      3      1.50
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LT)
1 ER Medium Laser        RT      5           1      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser        LT      5           1      1.00
CASE Equipment:          LT     RT           2      1.00
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         19          67     30.00
Crits & Tons Left:                          11       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        4,712,370 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    997 (old BV = 841)
Cost per BV2:      4,726.55
Weapon Value:      769 / 769 (Ratio = .77 / .77)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 17;  MRDmg = 10;  LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2:      MP: 7,  Armor/Structure: 3/1
                   Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: ML;  Point Value: 10
 

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Karagin-

Darkness is a friend of mine. Sometimes I have to beat it back, or it would overwhelm me. Shirley Meier

[url]http://karagin12.livejournal.com/[/url]

The Wookiee, he's not wearing any pants!

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A suggested take on this from a friend:

               BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Poacher PCR-3A
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3132
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          30 tons
Chassis:       Crom 3000 Endo Steel
Power Plant:   210 GM XL Fusion
Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118.8 km/h
Jump Jets:     None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type:    Leopard V Ferro-Fibrous 
Armament:      
  1 ER Large Laser
  1 Thunderbolt 5
  2 ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer:  Alexandria Armories
  Location:    Alexandria (Primary Plant), Galizo (Secondary)
Communications System:  Iota CH 89 Suite
Targeting & Tracking System:  Wasat Aggressor Type 5

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Type/Model:    Poacher PCR-3A
Mass:          30 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  51 pts Endo Steel            14      1.50
 (Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 3 LA, 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine:        210 XL Fusion                12      4.50
   Walking MP:   7
   Running MP:  11
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     10 Double [20]               6       .00
 (Heat Sink Loc: 2 RA)
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA     15       .00
Armor Factor:   99 pts Ferro-Fibrous        14      5.50
 (Armor Crit Loc: 4 LA, 6 LT, 4 RT)

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9      
   Center Torso:             10         15      
   Center Torso (Rear):                  5      
   L/R Side Torso:            7      10/10      
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              3/3      
   L/R Arm:                   5        9/9      
   L/R Leg:                   7      13/13      

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 ER Large Laser         RA     12           2      5.00
1 Thunderbolt 5          RA      3   24      3      5.00
  (Ammo Locations: 2 RT)
1 ER Medium Laser        LA      5           1      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser        LT      5           1      1.00
CASE Equipment:          RT                  1       .50
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TOTALS:                         25          78     30.00
Crits & Tons Left:                           0       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        4,888,520 C-Bills
Battle Value 2:    1,078 (old BV = 830)
Cost per BV2:      4,534.81
Weapon Value:      713 / 713 (Ratio = .66 / .66)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 16;  MRDmg = 10;  LRDmg = 4
BattleForce2:      MP: 7,  Armor/Structure: 2/1
                   Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/1,  Overheat: 1
                   Class: ML;  Point Value: 11
 

Still not sure, I feel this one goes for all the bells and whistles so to speak but it does offer more over all damage vs the original configuration. Still looking forward to seeing what is suggested.

_________________
Karagin-

Darkness is a friend of mine. Sometimes I have to beat it back, or it would overwhelm me. Shirley Meier

[url]http://karagin12.livejournal.com/[/url]

The Wookiee, he's not wearing any pants!

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I put your original design onto HMP late last night and had a look at it first thing this morning and don't really know what you are aiming for. Is the design built around the Thunderbolt 5 for a specific purpose?
Won't be around again until much later tonight.

T-blot 5 is the main punch yes, but it's more of the hit and run like hell idea as well.

_________________
Karagin-

Darkness is a friend of mine. Sometimes I have to beat it back, or it would overwhelm me. Shirley Meier

[url]http://karagin12.livejournal.com/[/url]

The Wookiee, he's not wearing any pants!

[img]http://www.heavymetalpro.com/countries/mil-army.gif[/img]

Kar,

I like the designs, could I offer this take ?, OK it's more fragile with the XXL engine has less firepower but faster, if nothing else 1 of the techs went mad with a Computer Sim

Dave.

               BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Poacher PCT-3-X
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3132
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 3, Custom design

Mass:          30 tons
Chassis:       Crom 3000 Endo Steel
Power Plant:   210 XXL Fusion with Supercharger
Walking Speed: 75.6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 118.8 [194.4] km/h
Jump Jets:     None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type:    Leopard V Light Ferro-Fibrous 
Armament:      
  1 LanceFire Arms Thunderbolt 10
  1 Diverse Optics Type II ER Medium Laser
Manufacturer:  Alexandria Armories
  Location:    Alexandria (Primary Plant), Galizo (Secondary)
Communications System:  Iota CH 89 Suite
Targeting & Tracking System:  Wasat Aggressor Type 5

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Type/Model:    Poacher PCT-3-X\
Mass:          30 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  51 pts Endo Steel            14      1.50
 (Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 2 LA, 2 RA, 2 LT, 2 RT, 1 CT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine:        210 XXL Fusion               18      3.00
Engine Supercharger:  (LT)                   1       .50
   Walking MP:   7
   Running MP:  11 [14-18]
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     10 Double [20]               6       .00
 (Heat Sink Loc: 2 RA)
Gyro:                                        4      3.00
Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:                5      3.00
MASC:                                        2      2.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA        14       .00
Armor Factor:  104 pts Light Ferro-Fibrous   7      6.50
 (Armor Crit Loc: 4 LA, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 CT)

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9      
   Center Torso:             10         14      
   Center Torso (Rear):                  5      
   L/R Side Torso:            7      10/10      
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              4/4      
   L/R Arm:                   5      10/10      
   L/R Leg:                   7      14/14      

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 Thunderbolt 10         RA      5   12      4      9.00
  (Ammo Locations: 2 RT)
1 ER Medium Laser        LA      5           1      1.00
CASE Equipment:          RT                  1       .50
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         10          77     30.00
Crits & Tons Left:                           1       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        16,680,820 C-Bills
Battle Value:      759
Cost per BV:       21,977.36
Weapon Value:      575 / 575 (Ratio = .76 / .76)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 11;  MRDmg = 8;  LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2:      MP: 7,  Armor/Structure: 3/1
                   Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: ML;  Point Value: 8

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So with the XXL engine you upgraded the T-blot and gained MASC...interesting. That is something I didn't even look at considering. Might be going back for another revision...

_________________
Karagin-

Darkness is a friend of mine. Sometimes I have to beat it back, or it would overwhelm me. Shirley Meier

[url]http://karagin12.livejournal.com/[/url]

The Wookiee, he's not wearing any pants!

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well. im into the 10-15 30 tonner, this time IS.
a 10point Tbolt with 2 tons of ammo(as above) but two ML and a TC
why take the risk of mask if u can get 10-15 without

BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Untitled 'Mech 
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3025
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          30 tons
Chassis:       Endo Steel
Power Plant:   300 XXL Fusion
Walking Speed: 108,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 162,0 km/h
Jump Jets:     None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type:    Light Ferro-Fibrous 
Armament:      
  2 ER Medium Lasers
  1 Thunderbolt 10
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

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Type/Model:    Untitled 'Mech 
Mass:          30 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  51 pts Endo Steel            14      1,50
 (Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 3 LA, 2 RA, 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LL, 2 RL)
Engine:        300 XXL Fusion               18      6,50
   Walking MP:  10
   Running MP:  15
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     10 Double [20]               0       ,00
XL Gyro:                                     6      1,50
Small Cockpit, Life Supt.:                   4      2,00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA+LA+H    R: Sh+UA+LA+H   16       ,00
Armor Factor:  105 pts Light Ferro-Fibrous   7      6,50
 (Armor Crit Loc: 1 LA, 2 RA, 2 LT, 2 RT)

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9      
   Center Torso:             10         15      
   Center Torso (Rear):                  5      
   L/R Side Torso:            7      10/10      
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              4/4      
   L/R Arm:                   5      10/10      
   L/R Leg:                   7      14/14      

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
2 ER Medium Lasers       RA     10           2      2,00
1 Thunderbolt 10         LA      5   12      4      9,00
  (Ammo Locations: 2 LA)
1 Targeting Computer     HD                  1      1,00
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         15          72     30,00
Crits & Tons Left:                           6       ,00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        18.401.890 C-Bills
Battle Value:      950
Cost per BV:       19.370,41
Weapon Value:      835 / 835 (Ratio = ,88 / ,88)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 13;  MRDmg = 11;  LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2:      MP: 10,  Armor/Structure: 3/1
                   Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: ML;  Point Value: 10

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typos and spelling-mistakes are property of the finder. english is not my mother-tongue.

I am liking all of the suggestions.

_________________
Karagin-

Darkness is a friend of mine. Sometimes I have to beat it back, or it would overwhelm me. Shirley Meier

[url]http://karagin12.livejournal.com/[/url]

The Wookiee, he's not wearing any pants!

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Well here is my attempt at it. I had thought of using a heavier T/bolt but thougt that two might be more fun. Tried to double the ammo but that left two little armour as would trying to increase the speed.

               BattleMech Technical Readout

Type/Model:    Poacher PCR-T5-2
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3132
Config:        Biped BattleMech
Rules:         Level 3, Standard design

Mass:          30 tons
Chassis:       Endo Steel
Power Plant:   300 XXL Fusion
Walking Speed: 108.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 162.0 km/h
Jump Jets:     None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor Type:    Light Ferro-Fibrous 
Armament:      
  2 Thunderbolt 5s
  2 ER Medium Lasers
Manufacturer:  (Unknown)
  Location:    (Unknown)
Communications System:  (Unknown)
Targeting & Tracking System:  (Unknown)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
==Overview:==
Designed as a fast hit and run raider is intended as a scrapper but rather to
get to it target in the shortest time and using up it's T-5 ammo as quickly as
possible then getting away before the enemy mechs can seriously threaten it. 
It requires a close escort of other conventionally armed fast mech for it's
own protection.

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Type/Model:    Poacher PCR-T5-2
Mass:          30 tons

Equipment:                                 Crits    Mass
Int. Struct.:  51 pts Endo Steel            14      1.50
 (Endo Steel Loc: 1 HD, 2 LA, 3 RA, 3 LT, 3 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL)
Engine:        300 XXL Fusion               18      6.50
   Walking MP:  10
   Running MP:  15
   Jumping MP:   0
Heat Sinks:     10 Double [20]               0       .00
XL Gyro:                                     6      1.50
Small Cockpit, Life Supt., Sensors:          4      2.00
Actuators: L: Sh+UA    R: Sh+UA             12       .00
Armor Factor:  105 pts Light Ferro-Fibrous   7      6.50
 (Armor Crit Loc: 1 HD, 1 LA, 1 RA, 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LL, 1 RL)

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      3          9      
   Center Torso:             10         15      
   Center Torso (Rear):                  5      
   L/R Side Torso:            7      10/10      
   L/R Side Torso (Rear):              4/4      
   L/R Arm:                   5      10/10      
   L/R Leg:                   7      14/14      

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Crits    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 Thunderbolt 5          RA      3   24      3      5.00
  (Ammo Locations: 1 LA, 1 RA)
1 Thunderbolt 5          LA      3           1      3.00
1 ER Medium Laser        RT      5           1      1.00
1 ER Medium Laser        LT      5           1      1.00
CASE II Equipment:                           2      2.00
  (CASE II Loc: 1 LA, 1 RA)
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                         16          69     30.00
Crits & Tons Left:                           9       .00

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        18,736,250 C-Bills
Battle Value:      899
Cost per BV:       20,841.21
Weapon Value:      793 / 793 (Ratio = .88 / .88)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 15;  MRDmg = 10;  LRDmg = 2
BattleForce2:      MP: 10,  Armor/Structure: 3/1
                   Damage PB/M/L: 2/2/1,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: ML;  Point Value: 9

Now that is a lot of hit and run going for it. I do indeed like it. Wow lots to work with here...

Okay so how is this for a start, the first mechs is the prototype or concept and we build from working the fluff to have it go along the lines of each idea given here is one step closer as well as a variant on the main mech it self?

_________________
Karagin-

Darkness is a friend of mine. Sometimes I have to beat it back, or it would overwhelm me. Shirley Meier

[url]http://karagin12.livejournal.com/[/url]

The Wookiee, he's not wearing any pants!

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..Not forgetting the SuperCharger as well for the extra increse in speed !.

Hope it's of some use.

Dave.

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BEWARE!!!!!

Yrs sincerely
The Opera Ghost
— (Terry Pratchett, Maskerade)

The XXL version is just CRAZY. I like it, but the cost means you can start looking at a heavier, if slower mech to fill the role. If that fails, a lance of Hussars:).

Back to the original. Would you consider a few minor tweaks? If you drop the AP, ammo, and one of the CASE systems you gain enough tonnage for a SPL, and Flamer pair. They add to the heat, and lose range to the AP, but gain other advantages, starting with the ability to start fires and easier on the logistics tail behind enemy lines. If you were so inclined you could go with one of the anti-infantry weapons and adding a ton of T-Bolt ammo instead.

That is an interesting idea and I can see it as a next step progression. I can add it in to things and make it part of the models being made.

_________________
Karagin-

Darkness is a friend of mine. Sometimes I have to beat it back, or it would overwhelm me. Shirley Meier

[url]http://karagin12.livejournal.com/[/url]

The Wookiee, he's not wearing any pants!

[img]http://www.heavymetalpro.com/countries/mil-army.gif[/img]