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he ETR1945 has a lot of interesting weapons and vehicles, however a few are missing.

for example the panzer IV is shown in a late version. the earlier versions have a much shorter gun, as they were intended for infantry support. their 75mm short barreled gun used the same ammo that the later versions used, but had a much shorter range. in an AT-role they were useless. the same snub-nosed 75 was used in early StuGIII designs.
the sherman is shown in the normal version, the firefly would have had a longer barreled version that has a higher penetration.
id give them the following values:

75mm/snub 2500kg 25kg/shot light rifle(cannon) damage vs bar5: 6(7 vs non armored) range: 0/12/24/36/60 no to hit modifier
75mm            3000kg 25kg/shot light rifle(cannon) damage vs bar5: 7                 range:0/18/36/54/90 -1 to hit
75mm/HV    3500kg 25kg/shot light rifle(cannon) damage vs. bar5: 8(7 vs non armored) range0/24/48/72/120 -1 to hit

the next interesting weapon is the 105mm howitzer, as used in the StuH III, essential a Sturmgeschütz that has a 105 mm howitzer instead of the 75mm cannon. this vehicle was intended to replace the original Stug in its original role as infantry supporter, while the Stug became more and more a tank killer.

105mm 3500Kg 30kg/shot light rifle(cannon) damage vs bar5: 7(8vs. non armored) range 0/15/30/45/75 no to hit modifier

and then there is the 20 mm KwK(kampfwagenkanone/tank cannon) of the panzer II, for simplicity id say it has the same values that the 20 mm fighter-cannon has

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Cool.

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the first vehicle that is missing, the Panzer Ib:

Type/Model:    Panzer I b
Tech:          Germany 1934
Config:        Tracked Vehicle
Rules:         Support vehicle medium, Tl B

Mass:          6 tons
Power Plant:   20 Maybach NL 38 TR straight 6 100 hp
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5
Armament:      
  2 Machine Guns 13 (Dreyse)
Manufacturer:  Henschel und Sohn
  Location:    Earth, Germany
Communications System:  Funksprechgerät
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model:    Panzer I b
Mass:          6 tons
Construction Options:  Armored chassis, tractor

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Internal structure              0       2,106
Engine:   100 hp ICE                0       2,028
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Fuel                                                    0,140
range: 140 km.
Heat Sinks:     0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,0 included in chassis weight of 2106 Kg
Crew: 2 Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,005
Armor Factor:   16 pts Bar 5             0      1,008

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          4 
   Left / Right Sides:        1        3/3
   Rear:                      1          3 
   Turret:                    1          3 

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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2 Machine Gun 13           Turret   0  2250    2     0,130
Ammo location: Body
Cargo  Body 0 0 1 0,340
Efficiency correction 0,0,0 0,237
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TOTALS:                           0          2      6,00
Items & Tons Left:                           3      0,00

the fuel amount is from the book about the german panzers i have,by Walter J Spielberger.
the range on the road is exactly right, the cargo given is 340 Kg in the list. the difference in weight(237 kg) is easyly explained by the fact that the panzer I was the first to be constructed in germany after the first world war, so some reduction in efficiency is natural.
included in the payload would be a simple Radio.

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I am more doing these via the normal vehicle rules myself.

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me too, but it seems that for the age we are talking about the suport vehicle rules are better, more exact.

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Depends on how you break things down I guess.

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Uhm is this an ICE or Fusion engine? See both listed.

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that is an ice engine.
i have made a vee in HMVee, calculated the values and merged both with HMPencil and HMeraser
HMeraser seems to have left the word fusion unerased.

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after the rather useless panzer I, wich was never intended to go to battle, in fact it was planned for training of troops, and to gain experience in manufacturing, the Germans built the Panzer II.
the Panzer II had a cannon of 20mm, wich could penetrate the thin armor of light tanks.

Type/Model:    Panzer II A
Tech:          Inner Sphere / 3060
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored tractor
Mass:          9,5 tons
Power Plant:   30 Maybach HL 62 TRM I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 1MG 34
 1 20 mm KwK 30
Manufacturer:  MAN
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model:    Panzer II A
Mass:          9,5 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       3,335
Engine:        30 Maybach             0      3,211
fuel                                                             0,170
range:
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 3Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,042
Armor Factor:   23 pts Steel              0      1,449

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          5 
   Left / Right Sides:        1        5/5 
   Rear:                      1          4 
   Turret:                    1          4

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 MG 34                         Turret   0  2100   2      0,104
ammo loc: body
1 20mm Kwk 30           Turret   0    180    2      0,310
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0               1      0,500
correction factor 0,0,0                                       0,379
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          4       9,5
Items & Tons Left:                           1    0,0

then came the first real tank, that was intended to be the Backbone of the german tank forces, the Panzer III:

Type/Model:    Panzer III E
Tech:         Germany 1945
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored tractor
Mass:          19,5 tons
Power Plant:   Maybach HL120TR I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 2MG 34
 1 37 mm KwK L/45
Manufacturer:  Daimler Benz
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model:    Panzer III E
Mass:          19,5 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       6,845
Engine:          Maybach 300Hp  0      6,591
fuel                                                             0,320
range:
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,085
Armor Factor:   43 pts Steel              0      2,709

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          10 
   Left / Right Sides:        1        8/8 
   Rear:                      1          8 
   Turret:                    1          9

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 MG 34                         Turret   0  3600   2      0,164
1 MG 34	                    Front    0               1     0,020
ammo loc: body
1 37mm Kwk l/45         Turret   0    120    2      0,670
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0               1      1,500
correction factor 0,0,0                                       0,596
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          5       19,5
Items & Tons Left:                           1    0,0

for the next tank im missing another gun: the 50 mm KwK L/42
i rate it right between the listed 47 and 57 mm guns:

50mm KwK L/42 weight:1250kg ammo weight: 1,75 kg acts as a heavy recoilles rifle, damage 6 vs. armor 5 vs unprotected targets. range 3/23/46/70/115

as the 37 mm gun was relatively weak the turret was constructed so the gun could be replaced by a 50 mm gun leading to the Panzer III F:

Type/Model:    Panzer III F
Tech:         Germany 1945
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored tractor
Mass:          19,5 tons
Power Plant:   Maybach HL120TR I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 2MG 34
 1 50 mm KwK L/42
Manufacturer:  Daimler Benz
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model:    Panzer III F
Mass:          19,5 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       6,845
Engine:          Maybach 300Hp  0      6,591
fuel                                                             0,320
range:
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,145
Armor Factor:   43 pts Steel              0      2,709

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          10 
   Left / Right Sides:        1        8/8 
   Rear:                      1          8 
   Turret:                    1          9

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 MG 34                         Turret   0  3750   2      0,170
1 MG 34	                    Front    0               1     0,020
ammo loc: body
1 50mm Kwk l/42        Turret   0     99    2      1,424
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0               1      1,276
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          6       19,5

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for the next tank i, again have to create a new weapon, ist the 50 mm/L60 wich basically is a longer 50 millimetre cannon that has a higher Vo. i use the values of the 57 mm cannon, just with more damage against armor(higher velocity) and lower damage against unprotected tagets (smaller grenades)

weight: 1500 kg ammo weight: 1,75kg damage: 7 vs. armor, 5 vs unprotected targets range: 2/22/44/68/110 

the next tank is the Panzer III J(late), it had a Long barreled 50 mm cannon:

Type/Model:    Panzer III J(late)
Tech:         Germany 1945
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored tractor
Mass:          21,5 tons
Power Plant:   Maybach HL120TR I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 2MG 34
 1 50 mm KwK L/60
Manufacturer:  Daimler Benz
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model:    Panzer III F
Mass:          21,5 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       7,575
Engine:          Maybach 300Hp  0      7,267
fuel                                                             0,320
range:
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,185
Armor Factor:   47 pts Steel              0      2,961

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          12 
   Left / Right Sides:        1        8/8 
   Rear:                      1          8 
   Turret:                    1          11

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 MG 34                         Turret   0  3750   2      0,170
1 MG 34                       Front    0               1     0,020
ammo loc: body
1 50mm Kwk l/60        Turret   0     84    2      1,647
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0               1      1,355
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          6       21,5

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typos and spelling-mistakes are property of the finder. english is not my mother-tongue.

the Panzer III was the base for a modification that was more important than the original tank, at least at the end of the war, the StuG III.

the early Versions had a short barreled 75mm cannon, and were intended for infantry Support.
they did not have a machinegun.

Type/Model:    Stug III A
Tech:         Germany 1945
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored tractor
Mass:          19,5 tons
Power Plant:   Maybach HL120TR I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 1 75  mm Stug L/24
Manufacturer:  Daimler Benz
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model:    Stug III A
Mass:          19,5 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       6,845
Engine:          Maybach 300Hp  0      6,591
fuel                                                             0,310
range:
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0         0
Armor Factor:   34 pts Steel              0      2,142

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          10 
   Left / Right Sides:        1        8/8 
   Rear:                      1          8
   Turret:                    0          0

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 75  mm Stug L/24        Front   0     44    2      3,600
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0               1      0,322
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TOTALS:                           0          6       19,5

later the shortcomings of the concept became visible: the short barreled cannon and the lack of a machinegun.
so later StuGs were outfitted with a longer 75 mm cannon and one, later 2, machineguns.
also the armor was made thicker.
the machinegun thats listed as "Top" is on the top of the vehicle, not in a turret. It is remotely controlled from inside.

Type/Model:    Stug III G
Tech:         Germany 1945
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored tractor
Mass:          29,9 tons
Power Plant:   Maybach HL120TR I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 1 75  mm Stug L/48
Manufacturer:  Daimler Benz
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    Stug III G
Mass:          23,9 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       8,390
Engine:          Maybach 300Hp  0      8,078
fuel                                                             0,310
range:
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0         0,005
Armor Factor:   38 pts Steel              0      2,394

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          11
   Left / Right Sides:        1        9/9 
   Rear:                      1          9
   Turret:                    0          0

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
ammo loc: body
1 75  mm Stug L/48        Front   0     54    2      4,350
1 MG                                  Front  0  2000 2 0,100
1 MG                                  Top 0 0 1             0,020
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0               1      0,293
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          6       23,9

as the Stug III became more and more usefull as a tank-killer ist original role was taken by another modifiction, the StuH III(for SturmHaubitze, storm-Howitzer):

Tech:         Germany 1945
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored tractor
Mass:          29,9 tons
Power Plant:   Maybach HL120TR I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 1 105 mm StuH 42 L/28
Manufacturer:  Daimler Benz
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    StuH III 
Mass:          23,9 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       8,390
Engine:          Maybach 300Hp  0      8,078
fuel                                                             0,310
range:
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0         0,0
Armor Factor:   35 pts Steel              0      2,205

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          11
   Left / Right Sides:        1        8/8 
   Rear:                      1          8
   Turret:                    0          0

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 105 mm StuH 42 L/28     Front   0     36    2      4,580
ammo loc: body
1 MG                                  Front  0  2000 2 0,100
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0               1      0,277
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          6       23,9

that is all important Versions of the Panzer III. there also were a few that had no cannon and were used as a command tank. later slightly modified Panzer III (read: identical with an extra Radio and a Little less ammo) were used for that role. a few were also modified with a flamethrower instead of the cannon.

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the panzer IV also developed during the war, the first Version only had one machinegun and ist armor was relatively thin, it was not used in combat at all.:

Type/Model:    Panzer IV A
Tech:         Germany 1945
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored 
Mass:          18,0 tons
Power Plant:   Maybach HL120TR I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  21,6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32,4 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 1MG 34
 1 75 mm KwK L/24
Manufacturer:  Daimler Benz
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none


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Type/Model:    Panzer IV A
Mass:          18 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       5,265
Engine:          Maybach 300Hp  0      3,744
fuel                                                             0,470
range:
    Cruise MP:   2
     Flank MP:   3
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 5Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,252
Armor Factor:   40 pts Steel              0      2,520

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          9
   Left / Right Sides:        1        8/8 
   Rear:                      1          6
   Turret:                    1          9

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 MG 34                         Turret   0  3750   2      0,128
ammo loc: body
1 75mm Kwk l/24        Turret   0     80    2      4,500
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0              1 1,121
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          5       18

later Versions had a thicker armor, and a second machinegun, the gun, the short-barrelled 75mm, stayed the same.:

Type/Model:    Panzer IV D
Tech:         Germany 1945
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored 
Mass:          20,0 tons
Power Plant:   Maybach HL120TR I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  21,6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32,4 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 2MG 34
 1 75 mm KwK L/24
Manufacturer:  Daimler Benz
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

--------------------------------------------------------
Type/Model:    Panzer IV D
Mass:          20 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       5,850
Engine:          Maybach 300Hp  0      4,160
fuel                                                             0,470
range:
    Cruise MP:   2
     Flank MP:   3
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 5Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,252
Armor Factor:   44 pts Steel              0      2,772

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          10
   Left / Right Sides:        1        9/9 
   Rear:                      1          6
   Turret:                    1          10

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 MG 34                         Turret   0  3750   2      0,128
1 MG 34                         Front    0               1      0,020
ammo loc: body
1 75mm Kwk l/24        Turret   0     80    2      4,500
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0              1 1,868
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          6       20

later the Panzer IV was outfitted with a longer barrelled gun, even thicker armored, this is the fractional accounting equivalent oof the panzer IV in the TRO, the ammunition of 87 shots is from the sources i have, the 100 shots in the TRO seem to be rounded to the next half ton.:

Type/Model:    Panzer IV H
Tech:         Germany 1945
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored tractor
Mass:          25 tons
Power Plant:   Maybach HL120TR I.C.E.
Cruise Speed:  21,6 km/h
Maximum Speed: 32,4 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 2MG 34
 1 75 mm KwK L/48
Manufacturer:  Daimler Benz
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model:    Panzer IV H
Mass:          25 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       8,776
Engine:          Maybach 300Hp  0      5,200
fuel                                                             0,470
range:
    Cruise MP:   2
     Flank MP:   3
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 5Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,302
Armor Factor:   54 pts Steel              0      3,402

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          12
   Left / Right Sides:        1        10/10
   Rear:                      1          10
   Turret:                    1          12

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
--------------------------------------------------------
1 MG 34                         Turret   0  3750   2      0,128
1 MG 34                         Front    0               1      0,020
ammo loc: body
1 75mm Kwk l/48        Turret   0     87    2      5,175
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0              1 1,528
--------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                           0          6       25

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They look great

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Well done with these, I really like what you have done & I look forward to the rest of the "series" that I'm sure you will do. Your hard work is appreciated.

1 daft question - is there any way for Record Sheets for all these ?.

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That makes sense, Pardon me asking.

Dave.

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typos and spelling-mistakes are property of the finder. english is not my mother-tongue.

this one is armed with a Long barreled Version of the 75 mm cannon.

Type/Model:    Panzer V D "Panther"Config:        medium Tracked Vehicle, armored tractor
Rules:         Support vehicle level B

Mass:          44,8 tons
Power Plant:  Maybach HL 230P 30
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5
Armament:      
Tech:        Germany 1945

2 MG 34
1 75 mm KwK L/70
Manufacturer:  MAN
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio 
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model:   Panzer V D "Panther"
Mass:          44,8 tons

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:                                        0      15,724
Engine:        Maybach HL 230 P 30 0      15,143
Fuel                                                  0         0,720
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:     0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0        0
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,354
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Armor Factor:  92 pts Steel Bar 5      0      5,796

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                       21 
   Left / Right Sides:     18/18
   Rear:                         15
  Turret                           20

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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1 MG 34                         Turret   0  4200   2      0,188
1 MG 34                         Front    0               1      0,020
ammo loc: body
1 75mm Kwk l/70        Turret   0     79    2      5,475
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0              1 1,380
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TOTALS:                           0          6     44,8
Items & Tons Left:                          3      0

the Tank-killer Version of the panther, featuring the famous 88.
i have noticed that the 75 and 76 mm cannons are listed with ammo weight 25kg/shot, as is the 88 mm. i think that the weight of the 88 mm cannons amunition should be heavier than that of the 75/76 mm cannons. to get an estimate i calculated (88/75)³*25 Kg=(aprox.)40Kg. this assumes that the ammo has the same shape inflated by 88/75.i used this 40 Kg in the following tank.

Type/Model:    Panzerjäger panther "Jagdpanther"
Rules:         Support vehicle level B

Mass:          45,5 tons
Power Plant:  Maybach HL 230P 30
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5
Armament:      
Tech:        Germany 1945

1 MG 34
1 88 mm PaK L/71
Manufacturer:  MIAG
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio 
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model: Panzerjäger panther "Jagdpanther"
Mass:          45,5 tons

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:                                        0      15,970
Engine:        Maybach HL 230 P 30 0      15,379
Fuel                                                  0         0,720
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:     0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0        0
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,0
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Armor Factor:  95 pts Steel Bar 5      0      5,985

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                       27 
   Left / Right Sides:     23/23
   Rear:                         22
  Turret                           

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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1 MG 34                         Front    0       600        2      0,044
ammo loc: body
1 88mm PaK l/71        Front   0     57    2      7,280
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0              1 3,722
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TOTALS:                           0          5     45,5
Items & Tons Left:                          4      0

the high ammount of "cargo" is owed to the factor that the front armor coveres a large area of the sloped front of the Jagdpanther. the size of this frontal armor is not accounted for by the rules.
EDIT: that seems not to be the only Problem, the 88 listed in the tro is the 88mm L/56 that the Tiger has...this vehicle uses an 88mm L/71 wich has to be heavier. so i will have to ad a ton to correct that.
EDIT: done that.here the values:

88mm/HV  L/71  5000kg 40kg/shot medium rifle(cannon) damage vs. bar5: 10(9 vs non armored) Range6/31/62/93/156

as the normal 88 i have set the ammo weight to 40/shot as it does not seem to make sense that it has the same ammo weight that the 75/76 mm have

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Type/Model:    Tiger I
Rules:         Support vehicle level B

Mass:          56,9 tons
Power Plant:  Maybach HL 210P 45
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 40,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5
Armament:      
Tech:        Germany 1945

2 MG 34
1 88 mm KwK L/56
Manufacturer:  Henschel
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio 
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model: Tiger I
Mass:          56,9 tons

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:                                        0      19,972
Engine:        Maybach HL 210P 45 0      19,233
Fuel                                                  0         0,534
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:     0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0        0
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,420
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Armor Factor:  117 pts Steel Bar 5      0      7,371

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                       27 
   Left / Right Sides:     23/23
   Rear:                         20
  Turret                         24   

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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1 MG 34                         Front    0       3920       2  0,177
1 MG 34                       Turret   0                        1  0,020
ammo loc: body
1 88mm Kwk l/56       Turret   0     92    2    7680  
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0              1 1493
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TOTALS:                           0          6    56,9
Items & Tons Left:                          4      0
design quirks: reduced top speed(4 instead of 5). gas hog, obsolete 1951, limited reliability.[/

Type/Model:    Tiger II
Rules:         Support vehicle level B

Mass:          69,8 tons
Power Plant:  Maybach HL 230 P 30
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 41,5 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5
Armament:      
Tech:        Germany 1945

2 MG 34
1 88 mm KwK L/71
Manufacturer:  Henschel
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio 
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model: Tiger II
Mass:          69,8 tons

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:                                        0      24,227
Engine:        Maybach HL 230 P 30 0      23,593
Fuel                                                  0         0,860
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   4
Heat Sinks:     0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0        0
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,502
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Armor Factor:  143 pts Steel Bar 5      0      9,009

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                       32 
   Left / Right Sides:     28/28
   Rear:                         25
  Turret                         30   

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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1 MG 34                         Front    0       5850       2  0,254
1 MG 34                       Turret   0                        1  0,020
ammo loc: body
1 88mm Kwk l/71       Turret   0     84    2    8,360 
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0              1 2,975
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TOTALS:                           0          6    69,8
Items & Tons Left:                          5      0

design quirks: reduced top speed(4 instead of 5). gas hog, obsolete 1960, limited reliability.

the next vehicle needs another new weapon, the 128 mm L/55 :

128mm  L/55  6000kg 120kg/shot Heavy rifle(cannon) damage vs. bar5: 11 Range 5/26/52/78/130

the range is copied from the 88 L/56.

the vehicle is the heaviest armored vehicle used during the war, the tankkiller "Jagdtiger"

Type/Model:    Jagdtiger
Rules:         Support vehicle level B

Mass:          75,200 tons
Power Plant:  Maybach HL 230 P 30
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 41,5 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5
Armament:      
Tech:        Germany 1945

1 MG 34
1 128 mm PaK L/55
Manufacturer:  Henschel
  Location:    Germany
Communications System:  Radio 
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model: Tiger II
Mass:          75,200 tons

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Int. Struct.:                                        0      26,102
Engine:        Maybach HL 230 P 30 0      25,419
Fuel                                                  0         0,860
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   4
Heat Sinks:     0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0        0
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,0
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Armor Factor:  130 pts Steel Bar 5      0      8,190

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                       36
   Left / Right Sides:     32/32
   Rear:                         30
  Turret                         0  

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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1 MG 34                         Front    0       1500       2  0,080
ammo loc: body
1 128mm PaK l/55       Front   0     40    2    10,800 
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0              1 3,749
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TOTALS:                           0          5    75,200
Items & Tons Left:                          7      0

design quirks: reduced top speed(4 instead of 5). gas hog, obsolete 1960, limited reliability.

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and here is the combined list of all the weapons i created:

50mm KwK L/42 weight:1250kg ammo weight: 1,75 kg acts as a heavy recoilles rifle, damage 6 vs. armor 5 vs unprotected targets. range 3/23/46/70/115
50mm KwK L/60 weight: 1500 kg ammo weight: 1,75kg damage: 7 vs. armor, 5 vs unprotected targets range: 2/22/44/68/110 
75mm/snub 2500kg 25kg/shot light rifle(cannon) damage vs bar5: 6(7 vs non armored) range: 0/12/24/36/60 no to hit modifier
75mm/HV    3500kg 25kg/shot light rifle(cannon) damage vs. bar5: 8(7 vs non armored) range0/24/48/72/120 -1 to hit
88mm/HV  L/71  5000kg 40kg/shot medium rifle(cannon) damage vs. bar5: 10(9 vs non armored) Range6/31/62/93/156
105mm snub 3500Kg 30kg/shot light rifle(cannon) damage vs bar5: 7(8vs. non armored) range 0/15/30/45/75 no to hit modifier
128mm  L/55  6000kg 120kg/shot Heavy rifle(cannon) damage vs. bar5: 11 Range 5/26/52/78/130

NOTE: the 105 mm is a howitzer, hence the low ammo weight.

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there is one important "german" tank i forgot: the Panzer 38 (t)
originally built for the tchech army the first production run was never delivered to them, the german army however took the tanks and used them in the organisational slots of the Panzer III.
the tanks were just outfitted with german radios, and a few minor changes were made. without this tanks the german army would have had a hard time filling its tank-divisions in the campaigns in poland and france. 1424 were built.

Type/Model:    Panzer 38 (t)
Tech:         Tchehoslovakia 1939
Config:        medium Tracked support vehicle TL b
                     armored tractor
Mass:          9,7 tons
Power Plant:  ICE, Praga Type EPA.
Cruise Speed:  32,4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54,0 km/h
Armor Type:    Steel Bar 5 
Armament:      
 2MG 37(t)
 1 37 mm KwK Vz 38 (t)
Manufacturer:  CKD/BMM
  Location:    Tchechoslovakia
Communications System:  Radio
Targeting & Tracking System:  none

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Type/Model:    Panzer 38 (t)
Mass:          9,7 tons
Construction Options:  Fractional Accounting

Equipment:                                 Items    Mass
Structure weight.:                          0       2,838
Engine:          Praga 128Hp  0      3,279
fuel                                                             0,230
range:
    Cruise MP:   3
     Flank MP:   5
Heat Sinks:      0 Single                    0       ,00
Cockpit & Controls:                          0       ,00
Crew: 5 Members                              0       ,00
Turret Equipment:                            0       ,077
Armor Factor:   38 pts Steel              0      2,268

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Front:                     1          9 
   Left / Right Sides:        1        7/7 
   Rear:                      1          7
   Turret:                    1          8

Weapons and Equipment    Loc  Heat  Ammo   Items    Mass
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1 MG 38(t)                         Turret   0  2700   2      0,128
1 MG 38(t)                       Front    0               1     0,020
ammo loc: body
1 37mm Vz 38 (t)         Turret   0    72    2      0,622
ammo loc: body
cargo                              Body   0               1      0,238
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TOTALS:                           0          5       9,7
Items & Tons Left:                           0    0,0

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Thought the 38 was a Czech made tank the Germans doing what they do, use it for themselves and keep it going.

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it was, the first 150 were ordered by the czech army, taken over by the germans after the takeing of czechoslovakia. the rest was produced later directly for the german army.
the constructor was a russian who fled russia during the october-revolution. as the tank was constructed in czechoslovakia it was designated the Panzer 38 (t) (t) was the Designator for czech Equipment(tchechoslovakei is german for czechoslovakia) in 1943 the tank was renamed Panzer 38 (no "(t)") as czechoslovakia was now part of germany and a german produced tank should not be designated as foreign Equipment. the building Company was named CKD (C is for something in czech meaning motorworks, KD is for Kolben-Danek, the names of two founders of the Companys from wich CKD has been formed) CKD was renamed BMM(böhmisch-mährische motorenwerke) (Böhmen und mähren was the german Name for czechoslovakia, Motorenwerke means motorworks) as Kolben was a Jew, and for the nazis it seems inapropriate that an important piece of equipment was built in a Company named after a Jew...
Later Skoda also produced the Panzer 38.

The Chassis of the Panzer 38 was used also for the Hetzer tank-destroyer, wich was also used in switzerland till the 70s as "G13"selfpropelled artillery.
the swedes based an APC on the Chassis that was also used to the 70s.
there are a number of Hetzers in driving condition in existance, mostly regermanised G13s. this fact ( and many records from the war) shed a good light on the Basic construction wich was famed for its reliability.

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