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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:06 am 
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Okay here are a couple of sites, let's see what you guys can do with the possible ideas for a BT version of some these....hurry before Cray corners the market... :lol:

http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/barianmm.htm

http://www.astronautix.com/articles/almpart1.htm

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Congratulations on referencing the Astronautix website, that's a fun and useful reference site.

So...I suppose the BT implementation of the Zenith star would be a space station with a sub-capital laser/1, while the Almaz would be something with an autocannon and lots of Earth observation sensors. I bet you could do the Almaz on a satellite chassis. Is that the general idea you were thinking of, Karagin?

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Going for more take what you can and make something plan...mainly to have fun with the stuff...and yes the website is a fun and interesting site to visit.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:22 am 
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That's an idea primitive rocket spacecraft.

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I had some rules posted for chemical and fission rockets in BT, but they seem to be too old to show up on searches.

[edit] Here's the off-site version.


Karagin, I tried a Zenith-type space station last night, but it kept bloating and bloating. At 5000 tons, I gave up. I'll try again this weekend.

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I had some rules posted for chemical and fission rockets in BT, but they seem to be too old to show up on searches.

[edit] Here's the off-site version.


Karagin, I tried a Zenith-type space station last night, but it kept bloating and bloating. At 5000 tons, I gave up. I'll try again this weekend.
I have run into that issue to with space stations, they bloat. I had some great ideas on paper ranging from OBP to cities in space and they just didn't end up the same once I started trying to build them via AT2r.

Looking forward to what ever you guys come up with.

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The Almaz-class Manned Observation Platform was the product of the paranoid nobles of Parma, a Federated Suns planet noted for the feuding between its countless city-states. The Almaz was specifically the brainchild of the Duke of Parma, Antonio Garibaldi, in the 3034. Having recently seen the wonders of Tikonov's Tikograd Museum of History and its huge wing on Tikonov and Russian aerospace successes, the Duke was inspired to acquire a network of observation satellites that would allow him to monitor the activities of the many feuding city-states to which he played mediator.

Federated-Boeing and a number of other major defense contractors were happy to offer complete system defense and planetary observation networks (including extensive service plans), but the cost (in hard, interstellar currency like C-Bills) was astronomical. So, Duke Garibaldi set about utilizing more accessible technology from Parma (preferably his own city-state of New Brescia) and other nearby worlds.

The result was an interesting juryrig of off-the-shelf life support systems and spacecraft amenities, improvised astronomical and surveying equipment with custom-written (and not entirely adequate) controlling software, and a chassis and power system that could be built and maintained with local technology, roughly equivalent to that of the 22nd Century. 

Because the sensors ganged to the task were only meant for staring into deep space or looking at the ground from 10km altitude, and because the Duke's engineers could not obtain existing orbital surveillance software without ruinous fees, they had to improvise their own software. The end result was a set of fairly powerful sensors able to study Parma's warring city-states in detail, but in deep need of manual input to select and track targets. The Duke named this manual observation platform "Almaz" in honor of one of the inspirations for the project, a 20th Century manned observation satellite.
http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/a/almaz1.jpg

The original Almaz was built around a radar and high resolution optical camera, with some variants mounting an infrared imager instead. Reliability was mixed and crew health became an issue during multi-month missions, but the intelligence garnered by the Duke's three original Almaz platforms went a long way to quelling feuding on the planet (especially by being able to say that, "No, Noble X is not mustering an army to attack Noble Y.") With a highly efficient, if primitive and bulky, fusion drive, the Almaz was able to shift orbit relatively quickly to scout problem areas and the constellation of 3 stations allowed the Duke to keep the planet under steady surveillance.

The original Almaz worked well for almost a decade until other nobles became aware of that the "relay and weather monitoring satellites" were actually manned spy satellites. Despite the dense network of informers and subterfuge, the cover story lasted a decade because, actually, the Almaz performed double duty as weather satellites (a side effect of the civilian roots of their look down radars) and because few nobles on Parma had enough engineering background to recognize a weather satellite from a DropShip. However, once the story was blown, other nobles rushed to acquire their own satellites.

The Duke of Parma did not object, much, though he would later exert his right to control the affairs of Parma outside the walls of the city-states' nobles to control orbital traffic. The Parma Space Race inhaled the fortunes of nobles that would've otherwise gone to further feuding and killing. However, he could also not ignore the competition, and thus introduced an upgraded Almaz in 3049.

The upgraded Almaz, presented below, was heavier and more capable than its predecessor. Its low tech roots remain obvious, and it sensors were still borrowed from conventional civilian surveying equipment, even the new Hyperspectral Imager that replaced the Hi-Res Imager. It also gained a low-pressure, vacuum-optimized, rapid-fire recoilless rifle on its nose, for dispensing with competing satellites. Unlike the many low-tech, open-market observation satellites that Parma's nobles were pressing into service as spy satellites (without the least clue of how to use the results, they were just Keeping Up With The Joneses), the Almaz used a fusion motor that could sustain long burns, even interplanetary journeys, and had no difficulty chasing down satellites that the Duke disliked.

The addition of a gunner led to a crew of three, which was deemed big enough to require the coordination of an officer, thus resulting in the new Almaz having a crew of four - double that of its predecessor. The extra hands enable the new Almaz to be better maintained than the older platform. 

With the expanding wealth of the 3040s, the Duke was able to afford a half-dozen of the new satellites.

In operation, the new Almaz's notional 1-ton cargo capacity is often significantly overloaded with additional supplies for the crew to last a 3-month deployment. In orbit, the extra mass rarely matters, though crews dislike needing to eat a month's worth of food to get access to the shower.

Type: Almaz-class Manned Observation Platform
Chassis Type: Satellite, Medium
Tonnage: 60 tons
Equipment Rating:  C/X-X-C/D

Equipment	                            Mass
Chassis/Controls:                         8.5
Engine/Trans:          Fusion             9
      SI:                 1
Heat Sinks:               2               2
Fuel:             5000 burn-days          2.5
Armor Factor (BAR 5):	25                1
            Internal    Armor
            Structure   Value
      Front               7
      Sides              6/6
      Rear                6

Weapons and Ammo     Location     Tonnage
LRM 5                  Front        2
Ammo (24)               Body        1

Crew: 4 (2, 1 gunner, 1 officer)
Cargo: 1 ton standard (1 door)
		
Notes: Advanced Fire Control (0.5 tons), Look-Down Radar (5 tons), and Hyperspectral Imager (7.5 tons).

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:50 am 
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Looks really good.

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