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Yeah, i has crappy weapons and so-so armor......but its maneuverable

               ProtoMech Technical Readout
                     VALIDATED DESIGN

Type/Model:    Tarasque (Dragon) 
Tech:          Clan / 3099
Config:        ProtoMech (Ultra)
Rules:         Experimental, Custom design

Mass:          15 tons (15,000 kg)
Chassis:       Advanced Composite
Power Plant:   90 Size Fusion
Walking Speed: 43.2 km/h
Maximum Speed: 64.8 km/h
Jump Jets:     4 ProtoMech Jump Jets/with Partial Wing
Jump Capacity: 120 (210) meters
Armor Type:    Integral Advanced Alloy
Armament:      
  2 Micro Pulse Lasers
  2 Small Pulse Lasers
Manufacturer:  Unknown
  Location:    Unknown
Communications System:  Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System:  Unknown

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Type/Model:    Tarasque (Dragon) 
Mass:          15 tons (15,000 kg)

Equipment:                                   Mass, kg
Int. Struct.:  35 pts Advanced Composite       1,500
Engine:        90 Size Fusion                  3,000
   Walking MP:   4
   Running MP:   6
   Jumping MP:   4(7)
Heat Sinks:      6 Compact ProtoMech           1,500
Cockpit, Life Support, Sensors & Pilot:          750
Armor Factor:  33 pts Integral Advanced Alloy  1,650

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      4          7      
   Torso:                    15          11      
   Left/Right Arms:          4/4        4/4
   Legs:                      8          7

Weapons and Equipment    Location Heat Ammo  Mass, kg
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1 Micro Pulse Laser      Left Arm   1            500
1 Micro Pulse Laser      Right Arm  1            500
1 Small Pulse Laser      Torso      2          1,000
1 Small Pulse Laser      Torso      2          1,000
JumpJets:                4 - 150 kg              600
Partial Wing             Torso      0          3,000
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TOTALS:                             6         15,000
Mass remaining, kg:                                0 left

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It is a blah design to me, but I can see it coming in handy when facing infantry formations, or on extended missions. What clan ws it the Vipers who field giant PBI formations in garrisons? This guy would eat infantry clusters for lunch.

Yup, anti-infantry use......though, yes it could be lot better if it didn't have the partial wing, that 3,000 kg could be put to better use

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The question is what is the extra jump worth? Can you build this as a lighter/faster unit with similar weapons and armor and more native speed? Probably. When I get home this evening I'm going to play around with a 5/8/5 version in the 8 or 9 ton range and see if I can hammer out a competitor. To pull out the Ultra card I think you need to bring something to the filed that you can't replicate with a basic Proto, but that's just my viewpoint.

Cool, can't wait to see what you come up with

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Building it as a 15 ton mech dropping the wing and using an XL engine, I was able to come up with something very similar...guess there are better things the heavier protomechs, then again never did like the whole protomech idea as given to us by Nystul...

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The Wookiee, he's not wearing any pants!

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Ok, I'm tired, so this is basic. This is faster, but has a shorter jump range. I also switched out MGs for the Micros. You loose the energy only quality, but it is a "standard" Proto, and of similar capabilities.

               ProtoMech Technical Readout
                     VALIDATED DESIGN

Type/Model:     
Tech:          Clan / 3060
Config:        ProtoMech
Rules:         Level 2, Standard design

Mass:          9 tons (9,000 kg)
Chassis:       Advanced Composite
Power Plant:   75 Size Fusion
Walking Speed: 54.0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86.4 km/h
Jump Jets:     4 ProtoMech Jump Jets
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor Type:    Integral Advanced Alloy
Armament:      
  2 Machine Guns
  2 Small Pulse Lasers
Manufacturer:  Unknown
  Location:    Unknown
Communications System:  Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System:  Unknown

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Type/Model:     
Mass:          9 tons (9,000 kg)

Equipment:                                   Mass, kg
Int. Struct.:  20 pts Advanced Composite         900
Engine:        75 Size Fusion                  2,000
   Walking MP:   5
   Running MP:   8
   Jumping MP:   4
Heat Sinks:      4 Compact ProtoMech           1,000
Cockpit, Life Support, Sensors & Pilot:          500
Armor Factor:  32 pts Integral Advanced Alloy  1,600

                          Internal    Armor
                          Structure   Value
   Head:                      2          6      
   Torso:                     9         11      
   Left/Right Arms:          2/2        4/4
   Legs:                      5          7

Weapons and Equipment    Location Heat Ammo  Mass, kg
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1 Machine Gun            Left Arm   0    10      300
1 Machine Gun            Right Arm  0    10      300
1 Small Pulse Laser      Torso      2          1,000
1 Small Pulse Laser      Torso      2          1,000
JumpJets:                4 - 100 kg              400
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TOTALS:                             4          9,000
Mass remaining, kg:                                0 left

Calculated Factors:
Total Cost:        835,594 C-Bills
Battle Value:      181
Cost per BV:       4,616.54
Weapon Value:      42 / 42 (Ratio = .23 / .23)
Damage Factors:    SRDmg = 6;  MRDmg = 0;  LRDmg = 0
BattleForce2:      MP: 5,  Armor/Structure: 9/0
                   Damage PB/M/L: 5/3/-,  Overheat: 0
                   Class: P ;  Point Value: 9

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Not too shabby

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AP Gauss Rifles would be a good fit as well.

The problem I see with Ultra Protomechs is reinforced by Karagin's example. If the idea of a Proto/Ultra Protomech is to make a bridge unit that can save resouces compared to a full sized mech. When you get to this weight class with Protos you can field a heavy mech tonnage wise, and a decent garrison mech C-Bill wise in the place of Protos. Since Protos and thier pilots rarely get the respect of a frontline warror anyway, would you field a point of these or a SLDF vintage mech or two in it's place?

Then you get to the old Roadrunner type mechs, sub 20 tonners that pack enough punch and speed to burn you.