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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:44 pm 
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My new computer runs Windows 8 Pro. I haven't yet tried to put the HM programs on it yet because I remember they had trouble with Windows 7, so I can only imagine what they might do now. Anyone have any experience with the HM programs under Windows 8 yet? Please advise...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:12 am 
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So my HTPC is Win8; I've got Pokki on it, so I bypass all the Metro dopiness, but I haven't put any HMX on it.

I don't remember ever having an issue with anything Rick ever did on a Win7 box.

I guess that's not much help … :sad:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33642_7-57 ... windows-8/

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:02 am 
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/2027945/ ... rever.html

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 10:04 pm 
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My new computer runs Windows 8 Pro. I haven't yet tried to put the HM programs on it yet because I remember they had trouble with Windows 7, so I can only imagine what they might do now. Anyone have any experience with the HM programs under Windows 8 yet? Please advise...
I've actually been wanting to post something like this myself. First, the HM programs don't really have a problem with Win7; I run and develop on Win7, and it's no more (probably less) problem than with Vista. I've not heard a single comment about HM programs on Win8, which means that either 1) No one has tried installing them yet, or 2) No one has had any problems (or, I guess, 3) They had problems and didn't care or bother to email me).

I'm hoping for #2. ;-)

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 1:55 am 
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Yeah, well: As of about 1900 today, I can tell you, now, that you should avoid Win8 if only because it's about imposable to get it to boot to Safe Mode when you can't ask nicely it to reboot. :angry:

I don't know what hit me, but if it was awake and on the router at the time, man, something came in and crapped all over my game box an the HTPC.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:22 am 
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I heard from a user who just installed all the HM programs on Win8, and it worked fine by following the steps on my Vista/Win7 page.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:30 am 
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I had no issues loading mine on Win8. Even transferred my custom weapons files over. It was an issue when I did it from XP to Vista.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:09 pm 
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… it's about imposable to get it to boot to Safe Mode when you can't ask nicely it to reboot. :angry:
Yeeeah, about that: I got some bad advice. :clown:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:26 am 
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Trying to get the HM programs to install from disk under Windows 8. Maybe it's just that my disks are old, but I'm having trouble getting them to read at all. Apparently the autorun and setup files aren't being recognized.

I did get the VB runtimes installed, so that's something.

I guess I'll have to get fresh installs from Rick after I get back from my trip this weekend.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:25 am 
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That might be something Win8 did in the name of security: When you double-click on the readme, or maybe one of the install(s), what happens?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:34 pm 
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After some trial and error with Windows 8 and various HM program discs...

- I got HMBA and HM Map to install by autorun from disc.

- I got HM Aero installed from a stand-alone setup file that Rick sent me back when I had this same issue with Windows 7. I was unable to install it from disc, either by autorun or manually.

- I was unable to install the HM Plus programs (Pro, Lite, Vee) from disc, either by autorun or manually. I think it likely has something to do with the age of the disc and/or files on it, which I notice are dated 1999-2002. So, I guess I need to get a more current incarnation of the HM Plus setup. :help:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:41 pm 
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- I was unable to install the HM Plus programs (Pro, Lite, Vee) from disc, either by autorun or manually. I think it likely has something to do with the age of the disc and/or files on it, which I notice are dated 1999-2002. So, I guess I need to get a more current incarnation of the HM Plus setup. :help:
Please email me with your purchase information, and I'll set up a new download for you.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:52 pm 
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Download received. :)

Here was the sequence when I tried to install from my pre-Star League era HMPlus disk:

- Insert disk. Windows 8 recognizes the autorun and asks permission to run. Clicked to allow.

- Autorun window comes up with options. Clicked INSTALL.

- The autorun window would go to "not responding" and after several minutes (a ridiculous amount of time for my overclocked i7 gaming computer) of disk spinning and thinking, Windows 8 would ask permission to run the setup. Clicked to allow.

- After several more minutes with nothing visibly happening, I got a "Setup Factory has stopped working" message. I never actually got even to the install window.

Trying to run the setup manually from the disk had the same results. Windows 8 also seemed to take an abnomrally long time reading the disk. Hence me thinking that it likely is either a file or old disk problem.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:53 pm 
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Okay, but did the download you got install okay? You seem to be discussing only the old CD.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:58 pm 
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Yes, the install file worked perfectly. Thanks. :)

BUT, there is more weirdness.

All the HM programs are installed now, and working. But...

- I had to go through and set all the file type associations manually. .hmp files to HM Pro and so forth.

- If I try to open a data file for a Mech (just for example) directly from a folder on disk, the associated program opens, but does not load the file. I have to go through the program to load the file; I cannot do it right from disk. I have this issue with all the HM programs. I wonder if there might be some security setting in Windows 8...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:48 pm 
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Yes, the install file worked perfectly. Thanks. :)
Good to hear. Thanks!
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- I had to go through and set all the file type associations manually. .hmp files to HM Pro and so forth.

- If I try to open a data file for a Mech (just for example) directly from a folder on disk, the associated program opens, but does not load the file. I have to go through the program to load the file; I cannot do it right from disk. I have this issue with all the HM programs. I wonder if there might be some security setting in Windows 8...
Sounds like Win8 associations may work differently, or like you say, a security or permissions issue. I have a newer setup program that is supposed to work with Win8, but haven't used it to make any new installs, I think. I may try that.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:49 pm 
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Yes, the install file worked perfectly. Thanks. :)
Good to hear. Thanks!
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- I had to go through and set all the file type associations manually. .hmp files to HM Pro and so forth.

- If I try to open a data file for a Mech (just for example) directly from a folder on disk, the associated program opens, but does not load the file. I have to go through the program to load the file; I cannot do it right from disk. I have this issue with all the HM programs. I wonder if there might be some security setting in Windows 8...
Sounds like Win8 associations may work differently, or like you say, a security or permissions issue. I have a newer setup program that is supposed to work with Win8, but haven't used it to make any new installs, I think. I may try that.
Actually, I just remembered that the associations are done within the programs themselves, when run. Perhaps those routines don't work with Win8, and maybe I can add that to the setup program.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:06 am 
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It may also have something to do with how Win 8's funky tablet type interface works. It wants to treat everything as apps.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 12:31 am 
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Another note: in HMPro, in the distribution screen, I still get the same funky strobing effect under Windows 8 that was noticed under Windows 7.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:29 am 
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Another note: in HMPro, in the distribution screen, I still get the same funky strobing effect under Windows 8 that was noticed under Windows 7.
Yeah, that'll still happen with 8.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:04 pm 
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I've had no problems running HM products with Windows 8, although I've had problems with the CDs deteriorating on me so I make sure to make copies using high-quality archive discs as backups. I've lost dozens of music cds to media deterioration. :(

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 11:37 pm 
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Why does Win8.1 want to make a virtual file for the HM programs vs. saving to the folders I tell it to save to?

Is there away to convince the machine to do what I want, which is simply save the file to the folder selected and not some virtual file in another slot of the hard drive? And when will MS get the hint we don't need the computer to think for us or assume for us.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:23 pm 
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Why does Win8.1 want to make a virtual file for the HM programs vs. saving to the folders I tell it to save to?

Is there away to convince the machine to do what I want, which is simply save the file to the folder selected and not some virtual file in another slot of the hard drive? And when will MS get the hint we don't need the computer to think for us or assume for us.
I believe that by running as an Administrator, Windows will allow you to save where you want to. At least it's that way with Vista and Windows 7. Basically, Microsoft believes that anything in the Program Files folder is a /program/ and should never be changed by the user. I, and many others, don't really agree to that. I prefer that all files used by a program be within the same folder, rather than being spread out all over kingdom come, but Bill Gates has more clout than I do, so....

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:25 pm 
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When I'm done installing on Windows 8 the only thing the programs do is start up but won't go off of the list refreshing screen .


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:10 pm 
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When I'm done installing on Windows 8 the only thing the programs do is start up but won't go off of the list refreshing screen .
Please be sure you're following the suggestions on this page, which also has some troubleshooting suggestions:

http://www.heavymetalpro.com/vista.htm

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2016 11:39 pm 
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been working fine on my desktop since the upgrade to Win 10, also just replaced my old vista laptop with a new Win 10 one and so far they seem fine on that, not sure about the playtest on the laptop though that does fine on the desktop.


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