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MacAttack
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Rick - I hope I will not have to rework <i>these</i>...

One useful feature would be not only the ability to create a character, but to also do the game "admin", so that skill points aquired and character improvements could be recorded.

Compaired to making the life paths work - this should be easy. :grin:

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Yes, I obviously haven't gotten very far in design, but I figure there will be a number of "modes" that you will be able to design a character in, all using the same life paths (I would hope). Normal or official mode would be right by the book. You select the path, the program rolls the dice for you and gives you the results, then you continue to the next step. No backing up, no re-rolling. Then a mode that allows X number of re-rolls, allowing you to retry certain events you don't like. Then the God or GM mode, where you choose from all selections, making up the character as you see fit. The mode should print on the design and record sheets, so people know how you made it.

Anyhow, that's the idea that's been in the back of my little mind for quite a while. I'll have to see how it works in practice. :wink:
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Works for me.

However, I would suggest instead of God, made by House Steiner. After all were the cheesiest.
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Yes, but I was thinking of once the character has been generated.

The character advancment rules for characters post-generation i.e. being played, are different from tinkering with a character during generation.

OK - This is taking the idea of HMM beyond mear character generation, but it would be nice to print out crisp new character sheets for each new adventure that reflected the current state of the character, not just their stats at the point where character generation ends...

If this makes any sense???

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I could be wrong, but I'm assuming that Rick has thought of this as well. I'm not a programmer and haven't programmed in years (Does the word BASIC mean anything ta ya? :smile:) But i think he understands that a good Character sheet generator needs to be able to track EXP's and such as well as just the initial character creation.
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Yes, there should be a way to track, record and print out sheets as your character progresses (and loses limbs!). At this point, I would think that would be the simpler part of the project, so shouldn't be too much of a problem. :wink:
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Yes, there should be a way to track, record and print out sheets as your character progresses (and loses limbs!). At this point, I would think that would be the simpler part of the project, so shouldn't be too much of a problem. :wink:
If so a progression monitor might be nice to show how old he is, what limbs he lost---I just loved that one ,Rick--,how many seneriors hes played, etc. Something put off to the side like the hit tables in HMPro so we don't get our nice new crisp MW character sheets mixed up with our not-so-crisp sheets from previous games. Something as simple as:

mod1
mod2
mod3

would be enough, but Im sure you already have something better than that planned!
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Why don't you just include that in a "note" section or something? Would be the easiest thing to do and we really should think about make things a wee bit easier for Rick. :smile:

Although, now that you mention it, may have something in the "Condition" box that has like a little check box that you can check that has a note next to it that says "Artifical/Natural: __ Type: __". Maybe something for the eyes as well...Or, if there's not enough room on the monitor, smush it in in someother area.

::looks back on the post, trys to remember if he said something about making life easier on Rick. Then shrugs, figuring it was a figment of his imagination::
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Yes, age will be part of it. Figure you'll input the birth (or tube opening) date for the character, then as he/she progresses, the age and date will progress as well. I intend to have a way to record /all/ happenings, campaigns, kills, education, experience, training, wounds, skills, medals, ranks, whatever. They may not all appear on the record sheet, depending on room, but if not, there should be another bio for the character that will give his/her complete history. Geez, it's easy to think up these things, when you don't have to program them! :wink:
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Geez, it's easy to think up these things, when you don't have to program them! :wink:
Happy to be of service, sir! :grin:

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What about putting in premade characters. My players have been playing thier characters for over a year now.

I understand with the God mode, well be able to input anything. But they might not want to be walking around with what looks like a bunch of munchkin characters.
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I would assume they would just recreate the the original rolls to make the character, and then add the other information in....:grin:

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A drop-down list of all the various ranks for the various factions would be very helpful for character advancement, so somebody doesn' unintentionally skip a rank in there progression. A list of available medals and commendations would also be nice! The same for equipment, bionic parts and such should be there too I think.

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Ummm...[gulps]....what about NPCs? As in, a function to choose maybe the occupation only and go with whatever the e-dice roll?

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The reason I ask is this would be nice for running and tracking all personnel in a unit, without spending a great deal of time creating each.

Would be easy to then add vital info to any future HM Campaign prog.
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yes.....a quicker method of doing it is in the works as well....hehehe

well...in the thoughts anyways....:grin:

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So that is the smell, thinking again are we.

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Rick, IIRC, one of your other posts said you were going to have a weapons section and such for the character sheet. Are you going to design it as a drop down menu like the armour selection in HM Pro?
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More like the weapon listing in HMPro, I would think. Except it probably won't have all that information in it. One thing I'd like to do with HMWarrior is depart from the traditional HMPro look and have it look more like a log book. More graphics, less clutter. With a page for history, a page for rank progression, a page for medals and awards. And as you're designing a character, the choices will be shown on the left side of the page, and the details on the right. After the character is designed, it should, hopefully, read like a log book of the character's history, education and experience.

At least that's what I've been thinking /prior/ to any actual work on it. :wink:
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Hehehehe Sounds good to me...I was just curious as to how the weapons and such would work as well as armour and exp and c-bills. ::Grins as the list grows::

And, it's nice to know that YOUR sheets will have a place to put how much cash my character has on them. We got through character creation and were ready to play when my group choursed with "Where do we put our C-bills."
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If possible and the sheet goes to two pages can we have the ability to print one side then print the other? Just a though. Like to have sheets together.

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If the sheets go to two pages, I'll have the option on the print screen of printing one, holding, then printing the other, or printing both together. That should also satisfy those with two-sided printers like the HM990.
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Digging through my old files I came across some of my old BT floorplans :grin:

Something more to add to HMM? A Map generator? (sneaks off and waits for Rick to start screaming).

Hmmmm.... I wonder if I shold tidy these things up some and get them into electronic form... Dropship plans are always fun to have...

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A floorplan generator sounds suspiciously like a CAD (Computer Aided Drawing/Design/Drafting) program. I think it's been done. :wink:
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HeavyMetal CAD!

There is always room for another HeavyMetal program :grin:

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THanks, I don't mind battling in the rain forest and burning it down, just hate cutting it down for all the extra sheets. We use Campain Cartographer, City Designer2 and Dungeon designer to make our maps.

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As far as the 'edition' of character sheet and separating the new sheet from the old sheet goes, that would probably be best served by a blank for a date. Could be BT date, could be actual date, either would probably serve the function.

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Going to need an entry to track Glory for Clan characters (see MW Guide to the Clans).

- Just another complication...

Rick - if you don't have this book I may be able to help out as I have a spare (don't ask)...

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Rick - if you don't have this book I may be able to help out as I have a spare (don't ask)...
Thanks, but I do have MechWarrior's Guide to the Clans. Don't recall the Glory part, though.
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An extra attribute that was added to make Clan characters "work".

Better than the MW2 idea of stripping Edge from the character for actions such as breaking a bid during a trial.

Some of the life-path results can increase the Glory attribute (apparently - have to read through them again).

Rank and possession of a Bloodname can modify the Glory attribute too.

As it is something that was added with the book - perhaps it needs to be an option that can be turned off (so people without the guide and the rules are not confused when it pops up on their characters).

As if you are not going to have sufficient fun getting other things to work.

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My mistake - Glory is recorded as just another Trait - though it is only aquired by Clan characters...

Guess it can be treated like all the others (though it is one that will change often in play).

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Isn't it funny that only the Clans get (personal) Glory? I would have thought a Tubie would disdain personal glory, striving possibly for the greater glory of the Clan, but in particular for Clan victory, and not have a thought towards personal Glory. Now a Spheroid might/would consider glory very highly. But then that is all just my take on it.
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Yes - it is interesting that while the CLan system promotes "the good of the Clan above all things, the Bloodname/Breeding program has all the Trueborn pursuing a "Me! Me! Me" agenda.

But then - nobody accused the Clans as FASA created them of beign a system that is coherant or viable enough to survive even 50 years (let-alone over two centuries).

The "Reputation" thing introduced in the MW Guide to Solaris is somewhat like Glory - but not quite...

Can't help thing that a single unified attribure/trait is needed...

Perhaps in the 4th edition (if there ever is one).

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Perhaps in the 4th edition (if there ever is one).
With my luck, there will be. And it will come out just before HMWarrior! :razz:
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Guess you need to work faster then :razz:

We obviously have to pursuade Rick's relatives that there is nothing more important than to have him working on these projects.

They can see him next Christmass (or perhaps the one after thant...)

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I already cancelled our trip to Florida to see them at Christmas, but it may be hard to tell them I can't come out of my den when they come to visit me here! :wink:
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I can send you a star of elementals to help in that cause but they are not responsibile for any damages. :lol:

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As it is something that was added with the book - perhaps it needs to be an option that can be turned off (so people without the guide and the rules are not confused when it pops up on their characters).
Maybe have something like in HMVee, where you could select to have Tac Handbook, MFUK, etc.. weapons, except with FMs, etc... and only allow the paths out of them? (Except in God Mode I guess)

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Maybe at the first, starting screen (in designing a character), have all the various life paths available, along with their sources, in a listing. Basically an Open screen, as it makes sense to have each of these in its own file. Once you've chosen the basic path, like Draconis Combine, or whatever, other options would open up, according to that path.
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that sounds like a good idea to me....just as long as we have the capability to override and get all choices....I've run into problems getting some stuff to work...especially with more...odd characters...hehehe

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Until Rick tries it - I am not clear on how easy it will be to include the "Life Path" jump.

That is the rule where rather than proceeding from one stage of the life-path to another of the listed options, you can sacrifice a point of Edge (well the threshold level) to jump to any one of the life paths for the next stage (proided the GM OKs it).

For example - a Street Kid getting into a Military Academy (not possible normally - but perhaps he won a scollarship or something).

Can't have a Freeborn enter a Truborn life-path though (well, then again - Phelan Kell did - kind of...).

I am still trying to think of how it can be presented...

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It won't be easy, but I think life path jumps within a given life path won't be a problem. :wink: But not from one life path to another, as you say.
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"All" it would take a click box that disengages the life path checking so all life paths are allowed.....:grin:

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For "God Mode" Yes, but the "lifepath hop-n-skip" is part of the standard character generation process once you are <i>in</i> a ln the process of generating a character.

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Well....I know what mode I'll turn on at first.....:grin:

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Now why am I reminded of the episode of Star Trek where the Klingon described Kirk as...

"A swaggering, tin-plated dictator with delusions of God-hood"

Come to think of it... that description fits most of the Klingon Officers from TNG, DS9 etc. etc. etc....

Perhaps the Kingon was being polite?

Ahhh... a universe where "Continuity" drools (sic).

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Yes, I obviously haven't gotten very far in design, but I figure there will be a number of "modes" that you will be able to design a character in, all using the same life paths (I would hope). Normal or official mode would be right by the book. You select the path, the program rolls the dice for you and gives you the results, then you continue to the next step. No backing up, no re-rolling. Then a mode that allows X number of re-rolls, allowing you to retry certain events you don't like. Then the God or GM mode, where you choose from all selections, making up the character as you see fit. The mode should print on the design and record sheets, so people know how you made it.

Anyhow, that's the idea that's been in the back of my little mind for quite a while. I'll have to see how it works in practice. :wink:
There was a D&D freeware that ran the same way, I think I can find the name of it if it can help! There may even be a copy of it laying around one of my friends houses!Image

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Can't have a Freeborn enter a Truborn life-path though (well, then again - Phelan Kell did - kind of...).

I am still trying to think of how it can be presented...
Yes but Phelan is a Trueborn! It is in the Preface of one of the books! Jamie Wolf & Natasha are discussing the use of the genetics technology for Jamies friend Morgan Kell and his wife, because they can't have kids. And then there was Phelan!!Image

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