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Crazy Strafey Expendable Aerospace Fighter (presumably using TechManual rules)
tons noun(s)
100 desired tonnage
21.5 fusion 400 XL engine
0 heatsinks: 10
0 Structural Integrity: 6
12.5 fuel & pumps 975 points of fuel or
3 cockpit
0.5 a single point of standard armor per each of four locations
14.5 fire control computers
24 Inner Sphere 24 medium lasers nose
24 Inner Sphere 24 medium lasers aft

Crazy Strafey Expendable Aerospace Fighter (presumably using TechManual and Tactical Operations and Strategic Operations rules)
tons noun(s)
100 desired tonnage
21.25 fusion 400 XL engine
0 heatsinks: 10
0 Structural Integrity: 8
3 fuel & pumps 234 points of fuel
2 small cockpit
10.5 drone equipment & dronesensors
0.25 a single point of standard armor per each of four locations
14.5 fire control computers
24 Inner Sphere 24 medium lasers nose
24 Inner Sphere 24 medium lasers aft
0.25 cargo
100 tons total

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if all those weapons are fired the Pilot dies instantly because of overheat.
72 Points of heat(only firing in one direction) - 10 HS = heat Level of 62
thats Pilot death and immediate shutdown.

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Hi cobayashimaru,

During tournament game(s), a player won't care about overheating because of potential 6,000 damage points that a Crazey Strafey can do with its weapons during a strafing attack; and in non-tournament game(s), a Crazey Strafey would most likely be a drone, and so player(s) controlling Crazey Strafeys wouldn't care if they were destroyed after they've crashed because of all that heat causing them to go out of control.

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Of all the dumb things you post Chip, this is certainly one of them.

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Um, chihawk, I'm actually a friend of chip. And please clarify why you believe Total Warfare rules for strafing are "balanced". I've proven they're utterly unbalanced.

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Cobayashimaru has posted rather well why this is stupid.

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6,000 points of damage is enough to substantially damage many targets for the sacrifice of Crazy Strafey(s). A Crazey Strafey could probably take out a very much higher BVed mobile structure by doing a strafing attack against its center hexes parts to cause them to collapse other mobile structure hexes parts.

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it seems a 400 xl engine is 26.5 tons, not 21.5

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We shouldn't let facts get in the way of his delusions.

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Listen Chip...err....Alayne Leung....well, whomever you're pretending to be today...in the original post you listed the weight of the 400XL fusion engine as 21.25 tons.

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Never mind that your posting styles are virtually identical, the big issue you're going to have is I can see the IP addresses you post on from three different gaming sites...on only two of which do I still use the "chihawk" name.

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Good morning Tom, CDT.

Tom said or typed or wrote: Well actually I'm a friend of chip burcham. He and I meet here at library that he and I are at now to talk.

Tom said or typed or wrote: Yeah, that sounds correct; I must've misread a webpage listing (of another website) of the standard fusion 400 tonnage or it might've been incorrectly posted (I was sort of skeptical of that webpage listing).

Tom said or typed or wrote: Yeah, I was using Aerodyne DropShuttle construction rules from AeroTech 2; the 6 is from max thrust and the 8 is overthrust (like 'Mech sprinting). Also, I read on another website years ago that TechManual didn’t change aerospace fighter construction rules; I'm must be too gullible or that person, that posted to that website didn't read TechManual rules very well). Theoretically, an aerospace fighter's SI structure should have mass because it uses its wheels to launch and land and uses other components to perform maneuvers.

Tom said or typed or wrote: I was using Strategic Operations fuel rules; 78 points of fuel plus 2% of total fuel tonnage of 80 points is approximately one ton of fuel & pumps, so 12.5 tons multiplied by 78 points of fuel = 975 fuel points

Tom said or typed or wrote: I think Tactical Operations and HMAero provide for fractional accounting rule that allows 0.25 tons of armor.

Tom said or typed or wrote: Again, I was using AeroTech 2 and I think HMAero could perhaps used to require fire control systems.

Tom said or typed or wrote: Yeah, I was using AeroTech 2 construction that I think did require fire control systems ;and as for more than 5 weapons, I think AeroTech 2 and HMAero could perhaps have originally allowed that for aerospace fighters.

Tom said or typed or wrote: I’m sure you’ve comprehended current aerospace fighter construction rules; I was using older versions of them. I used "aerofighter" because the subject line when I sent that PM didn't allow me to fully type "aerospace fighter". Also, I was trying to point out the unbalancing flaws of strafing attack damage especially since BV and heat and ammo aren’t taken into account. I have designed revised versions of those two Crazy Strafey Aerospace Fighters as follows:

Note that double heat sinks, fuel & pumps, and armor can be removed or added at discretion of person designing version(s) of Crazy Strafey provided that said version(s) each are not more than 100 tons).

Crazy Strafey Expendable Aerospace Fighter (should be using TechManual & Strategic Operations rules)
100 desired tonnage
0 SI: 10
26.5 fusion 400 XXL
35 double heat sinks: 45 heat: 92 of thirty lasers & max thrust
4 fuel & pumps: 309
3 cockpit
0.5 two points of standard armor per each location
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 nose arc
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 aft arc
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 left wing for arc
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 right wing for arc
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 left wing aft arc
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 right wing aft arc
8 Inner Sphere targeting computer
100 total tons

Crazy Strafey Expendable Drone Aerospace Fighter (should be using TechManual & Tactical Operations & Strategic Operations rules)
100 desired tonnage
0 SI: 10
17.5 fusion 400 XXL
0 double heat sinks: 10 heat: 96 of thirty lasers & overthrust
5.5 fuel & pumps: 429
2 small cockpit
26.5 one hundred six points of standard armor per each location
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 nose arc
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 aft arc
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 left wing front arc
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 left wing aft arc
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 right wing front arc
5 Inner Sphere Medium Lasers 5 right wing aft arc
8 Inner Sphere targeting computer
10.5 drone equipment & drone sensors
100 total tonnage

Let's also remember that the Advanced Ability Traits (Weapon Specialist & range switching & I think Ground Attack) from A Time of War should probably make strafing attacking to-hit rolls easier I think. Damage from all 30 Medium Lasers simultaneously during a strafing attack for five hexes during a single turn is: 5 damage points *(4 units plus structure)*5 hexes *30 Medium Lasers =3,750 damage points total in one Total Warfare turn. That's still Damage from 20 Medium Lasers simultaneously during a strafing attack for five hexes during a single turn is: 5 damage points *(4 units plus structure)*5 hexes *20 Medium Lasers =2,500 damage points total in one Total Warfare turn provided that the wing aft arcs aren't used. That's still

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Hi Tom,
(My first name is Alayne, but if you want to call me "Elayne" then maybe I'll become popular enough to join Elaine on CGTV,

Either I've forgotten the rules of aerospace fighter construction or I've misunderstood them. (I'm getting a new copy of TechManual later on provided that my local bookstore can order me a copy). Thank you for your clarifications. Apparently fractional accounting can be used for aerospace fighters (scroll down or search for "fractional accounting" on this link's following webpage).

http://www.heavymetalpro.com/HMAero_Revisions.htm

I do remember reading a topic years ago on I think HeavyMetal Program Discussion forum that Rick Raisley specifically explained how to have fractional accounting to another member, but search feature can't seem to locate that topic. (I think Rick Raisley basically said you're to select rules Level 3 when using HeavyMetal Aero and then select "Fractional Accounting" selection).

1. Tom said or typed or wrote: So you're saying that an Inner Sphere XXL fusion engine has a tonnage that is 1/4 xor 0.25 that of a standard fusion engine of same rating? If so, then that's wonderful.

2.a. I think 30 double heat sinks are better, but that's fine if you only want 25 for a Crazy Strafey. Theoretically, a Crazy Strafey flying at max thrust can travel farther, and while using Strategic Operations rules can evade better; but I understand why safe thrust is more beneficial (to have lower attacker movement modifier, but perhaps Crazy Strafey drone could compensate for its own attacker movement and evasive modifiers?

b. That overthrusting is theoretically like Sprinting MP from Tactical Operations (basically Safe Thrust multiplied by 2 like Walking MP multiplied by 2). Since a LAM can use Sprinting MP (I think), it should be capable of using overthrust when it's in aerospace fighter mode; and if a LAM can use overthrust in aerospace fighter mode, then an aerospace fighter (such as a Crazy Strafey) should be capable of using overthrust.

3. I prefer to include fuel pumps because I don't understand how an aerospace fighter can get its fuel into combustion chambers without the use of pumps.

4. Just so you know, I designed the Crazy Strafeies to each use standard armor.

Tom said or typed or wrote: Wait a minute, I thought #1 specifically said that the unit may fire one, some or all of its non-ammo dependent direct-fire energy and pulse weapons when strafing. So why say "heat and ammunition tracking" instead of just saying "heat tracking"?

Tom said or typed or wrote: I don't think so. #3 says: The attacking player makes separate to-hit rolls for each weapon against each target. You'll notice that it says "rolls" instead of roll. I think there might be a strafing example in Total Warfare, but I'm not sure.

Tom said or typed or wrote: #3 above specifically says: No matter how many targets are attacked, each weapon only fires once for the purposes of heat and ammunition tracking.

Tom said or typed or wrote: I don't think that's how strafing "works", but I could be incorrect because #3 above says, "The attacking player makes separate to-hit rolls for each weapon against each target.". I think that either a way more thorough example of strafing must be provided, xor omit strafing rules from Total Warfare altogether and perhaps republish them in Tactical Operations.

Here are the revised Crazy Strafeies (they're each now equipped with 5 Inner Sphere medium pulse lasers per firing arc; Clan medium pulse lasers have double range, though):

Crazy Strafey Expendable Aerospace Fighter (should be using TechManual & Strategic Operations rules)
100 desired tonnage
3 standard cockpit
0 SI of 10
26.5 fusion 400 XXL engine
20 double heat sinks: 30 ; heat: 62 of 30 medium pulse lasers plus 2 heat Max Thrust
6 fuel: 480
6 twenty-four points of standard armor per each location
10 five Inner Sphere Medium Pulse Lasers nose arc
10 five Inner Sphere Medium Pulse Lasers left arc
10 five Inner Sphere Medium Pulse Lasers right arc
8 targeting computer
100 total tonnage

Crazy Strafey Expendable Drone Aerospace Fighter (should be using TechManual & Tactical Operations & Strategic Operations rules)
100 desired tonnage
2 small cockpit
0 SI: 10
10.5 drone equipment & drone sensors
17.5 fusion XXL engine
23 double heat sinks: 33; heat: 69 of 30 medium pulse lasers and Overthrust MP (like Sprinting MP)
6.12 fuel & pumps: 480
0.25 one point of standard armor per location
10 five Inner Sphere Medium Pulse Lasers nose arc
10 five Inner Sphere Medium Pulse Lasers left arc
10 five Inner Sphere Medium Pulse Lasers right arc
8 targeting computer
2.63 extra fuel or armor per player's choice(s)
100.00 total tonnage

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